So AT&T allegedly gave the Feds a Peek…

And perhaps that should be a cause for concern for some of us who live in this here land of the free and home of the brave, and perhaps some among us whose ISP is AT&T.

Check out this story from the Seattle Times, “AT&T gave feds access to all Web, phone traffic, ex-tech says”.

The law which was allegedly violated by AT&T is actually listed in the above story,

The 1986 Stored Communications Act forbids telephone companies and computer-service providers from giving the government records showing who customers had dialed or e-mailed without a warrant or court order. Because the law allows consumers to recover a minimum of $1,000 for each violation, AT&T and a handful of other companies could be on the hook for billions of dollars in civil liability, some experts in telecommunications law have said.
Seattle Times archives

If what the ex-AT&T tech in the story says is true, then yeah his former company might have broken the law.

Of course this brings up certain questions: If you have nothing to hide then what’s the big deal if NSA takes a look at your surfing habits? The Apostle’s words come to mind,

For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; –Romans 13:3

What is the big deal when such procedures may help the government nab a few folks who are in the business of killing Americans? (Of course you can believe that these folks don’t exist)

I know, I know this land is a land of laws and all that, but wouldn’t you folks who cling to this like it’s the end all be all, would your fears be smoothed over if the Feds revealed the surfing habits of some pastors so then you can revel in Christian hypocrisy?

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10 Responses to So AT&T allegedly gave the Feds a Peek…

  1. Gene says:

    I can’t figure out what your point is with your closing statement.

    But as for Paul’s opinion in Romans 13-3, he had to be either naive or delusional, or as Peter said, very few knew what he was talking about.

    If rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, then Paul himself must have been a bad boy to be executed by the rulers for preaching Christ.

    And why was Peter hung upside down(we are told) on a cross by the rulers if he did nothing wrong?

    And why was Jesus, a man “who went around doing good”, crucified by the rulers?

    And why have millions been matyred for Christ through the centuries, by rulers, if they had nothing to fear?

    Without the understanding of the Spirit it’s useless and dangerous indeed to quote the letter of the scripture.

    That’s why, thank God, in our more enlightened times, rulers are properly seen as a threat and a terror to good works and need to be chained by a Constitution and Bill of Rights.

  2. Laz says:

    Gene,
    Did you excise Paul’s letters from your Bible or only the parts within them that you don’t agree with?

    I’m glad you brought up Peter, who by the way, had a pretty lofty view of Paul’s letters,

    just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,

    as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. — 2 Peter 3:15-16emphasis mine

    If you’re going to call Paul naive or delusional you must also slap the same labels on Peter for it is he who wrote,

    Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority,

    or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. — 1 Peter 2:13-14

    Later in the same letter Peter writes,

    Who is there to harm you if you prove zealous for what is good?

    But even if you should suffer for the sake of righteousness, you are blessed AND DO NOT FEAR THEIR INTIMIDATION, AND DO NOT BE TROUBLED,

    but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;

    and keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ will be put to shame.

    For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong. — 1 Peter 3:13-17

    Keep in mind that this is the same Peter who told the Sanhedrin,

    Whether it is right in the sight of God to give heed to you rather than to God, you be the judge;

    for we cannot stop speaking about what we have seen and heard. — Acts 4:19-20

    and,

    We must obey God rather than men. — Acts 5:29

    If you’re going to say that Paul and other writers of Scripture are delusional then are you not judging God’s inspired Word based on your own personal likes and dislikes?

    I don’t think that’s a road you want to go down on.

  3. Gene says:

    Peter and Paul lived under a dictatorship. They had no civil rights or rights of any kind except what the “rulers” allowed them.

    How can you compare their times to today’s? It was not until the 19th century after Christ that the Church even recognized the evils of slavery.
    And then it was mavericks and unchurched like John Brown that unchained the consciences of the “faithful.”

    The organized Church has never taken the lead in addressing the evils of society or government and has never been more than a passive osbserver.

    Jesus said he had a lot more to tell his desciples but they were not ready to receive it. Do you think when the Holy Ghost fell on Pentecost, they received in one fell swoop all the knowledge and wisdom the Church would ever need for the coming centuries?

    He also told us to occupy until he returned. How can submitting to the rule of tyrants and despots be called occupying?

    Do you think Christians should continue to be beat over the head with 2000 year old scriptures fed as pablum to babes to keep us chained in submission to Kings in ignorance of our rights?

    My own opinion is that like the Roman Catholic Church of old, many of today’s Evangelical leaders would not mind at all if this nation were under a dictatorship. As long as they were able to be partners with the dictators.

  4. Laz says:

    Your first paragraph makes my point. If these guys lived under worse conditions than we do here in the states, yet they’re telling their brothers and sisters to submit…

    Gene, do you know what exactly the Church is?

    Do you think Christians should continue to be beat over the head with 2000 year old scriptures fed as pablum to babes to keep us chained in submission to Kings in ignorance of our rights?

    Well you have no qualms about referencing said “2000 year old scriptures”.

    He also told us to occupy until he returned. How can submitting to the rule of tyrants and despots be called occupying?

    Can you cite the “occupy” verse? As for the second sentence did not Jesus assure His disciples that He had the power to save Himself by calling upon thousands of angels? Yet somehow He submitted to the authority of Rome, as to the why, well you should know the answer to that question.

    In case you don’t,

    “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know–

    this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.

    “But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power. — Acts 2:22-24

    Well I suppose since it was Peter who said this, then based on what he wrote in his letters (submit to the authorities) this makes his words “pablum”.

    Gene, my concern isn’t following either the RCC or so-called Evangelical leaders, Jesus said to follow Him.

  5. Gene says:

    Laz, you say we should submit to authority except when it conflicts with God’s law.

    Is that why the Church stood by and accepted slavery from before the founding of this nation? And why German Christians stood by and even supported Hitler while he killed 6 million jews? Is it because these things did not conflict with the law of God?

    I believe we should submit to authorities too. I never run a red light and I always fasten my seat belt (except at night) and I obey all the laws of the road. I’m a law abiding citizen.

    But don’t you think Christians have a duty to defend the Constitution, which is the law of the land? And shouldn’t Christians be zealous to fight for and defend the rights of the poor and oppresed? Does the bible have anything to say on that? I’m not one to use the scriptures as a battering ram. I have the Spirit of God to guide me, as David did when he broke the law by eating the shewbread) So whatever I do I know that I’m in agreement with the Spirit of a Just God.

    The scripture that uses the phrase “occupy until I come” is found in Luke 11-13. I suggest you invest in a Strong’s Concordance. You would not have had to ask.

  6. Laz says:

    Thanks for the heads up on the Strong’s we do have one at home though not a King James one.

    He also told us to occupy until he returned. How can submitting to the rule of tyrants and despots be called occupying?

    You do understand that “occupy” is used in a parable about money usage right? The NASB has “do business” but the word is the same and according to Thayer’s Lexicon the word is a banking term.

    Of course if you have already made up your mind as to what you think this word means well then don’t let the facts get in the way.

    Is that why the Church stood by and accepted slavery from before the founding of this nation? And why German Christians stood by and even supported Hitler while he killed 6 million jews? Is it because these things did not conflict with the law of God?.

    Gene the institution of slavery in the Roman Empire was markedly different than what us in the Western Hemisphere commonly mistake for the totality of slavery.

    As for the Holocaust, I’d suggest you read up on the testimony of people like Corrie ten Boom before you accuse the “Church” of standing pat during Hitler’s atrocities.

    You still have no clear idea of who the Church actually is, huh? Either that or you’re not letting on if you do.

    Gene, the Spirit of God you say and well you may well be right, I don’t know you personally and even if I did, I cannot see the inner man.

    By referencing David’s eating of the showbread what are you falling back on? Scripture, think Gene think. The Spirit and Scripture are not in contradiction how can they be when He inspired the writers?

    Where else Gene do you learn about Pentecost and the Holy Spirit if not from the inspired writings of those chosen to pen them?

  7. Gene says:

    Laz
    Congratulaions of finding that scripture. It was Luke 19-13 not Luke 11-13.

    So “occupy” is a banking term with no deeper meaning.

    Wow! Kenneth Copeland, et al are right.

  8. ChrisR says:

    Shouldn’t department stores be allowed to place video cameras in all mens and womens dressing rooms? As long as you are not a shoplifter, what is the big deal? So what if someone decides to broadcast the tape on the internet of you or your family members in undies, or even naked?

  9. Laz says:

    Chris,
    You mean you don’t automatically assume that you’re being watched when you go into a fitting room?

  10. ChrisR says:

    I guess it would be ok, if I turned the voyeurs on; and I would really only be uspset if they found me to be disgusting and switched the camera off. LoL

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